The other day, I got a great question from an early career teacher.
One of my professors, towards the beginning of my program, told my cohort that we shouldn’t use please or thank you when talking to students. The reasoning was that if we are asking or thanking a student for meeting classroom expectations, that using those words suggests to them that their behavior wasn’t necessary or required of them. In terms of establishing care with students, to build credibility, what is your opinion on this?
This is a provocative question — I love it.
At first, my gut reaction was that this professor's advice sounded something like the old ornery adage, “Don't let them see you smile until Thanksgiving.” I don't subscribe to the Thanksgiving thing at all, and so I thought, “Well, then of course you should say please and thank you to your students often.”
But then I started thinking about what I actually say with my students. Are there times when I say please and thank you to them?
And, to my surprise, I found that my answer was no. I really don't tend to please and thank my students.
So, why don't I do this? Am I just becoming a grumpy old man? Or is there something thoughtful behind my apparent disdain?
I have a couple answers.
First of all, “please” and “thank you” aren't the only ways to communicate to human beings that 1) you recognize their right to refuse cooperation (please), and 2) you appreciate them cooperating (thank you). And so it's possible to express these things without saying them outright. I do think that I'm a teacher that signals to my students a respect for them and their autonomy (please) and an appreciation for them working in earnest in my class and doing the things I teach them to do (thank you).
So, what do I tend to say when I instruct my students to do something? When I think of it, it's stuff that sounds like this:
All right, students — today I want to introduce us to two modes of working: undergrad library and grad library. When I was at U of M, there were these two libraries you could visit. At the undergrad library, you'd find groups at tables, lots of talking, lots of collaborating, lots of hubbub and noise. It was a place for groups to meet, not so much a place for individuals to focus. At the grad library, though, it was the opposite. In the main room, before midterms there would be hundreds of students seated at table after table, but all through the place you'd feel awkward if you so much as turned a page loudly. What I want for us, right now, is to complete one five-minute learning activity in undergrad library mode, and one five-minute learning activity in grad library mode. All right — first up, undergrad library.
Then, I'd introduce a brief learning task to students, I'd have them practice undergrad mode in class, and I'd walk around giving them feedback on how they were doing.
After the time was up, I'd give them some whole class feedback — more of this, less of that, great job with this, let's keep working on that — and then we'd move on to grad library mode.
During it, I'd walk around giving feedback — “Yes, exactly”; “Yup, that's just what to do, you've got it” — and afterwards, I'd give whole class feedback.
So in any of this, am I saying please and thank you? No, not at all.
And I do think, upon reflecting on it here in this essay, that the omission is meaningful. I think that it would feel odd for me to say please to my students in this scenario and odd for me to thank them after.
- Instead of please, I say things like, “Let's begin;” “All right, begin writing;” “Let's start.”
- Instead of thank you, I say things like, “That was well done;” “Gosh, it feels good to watch you all work that well;” “Hey, strong effort there from many of you; others, we'll need to keep working.”
It's not that I never say these things — I don't have any rules like that.
But weirdly, I do kind of agree with the professor here. I think it's a good rule of thumb to remove these words from your vocabulary a bit so that you can get used to speaking like a warmly authoritative teacher.
It's nothing to be religious about, certainly.
But it is a helpful thought.
What do you think?
Best,
DSJR
Lena Thompson says
DSJR,
Like you, I am cordial because that is who I am and cordial because it is who I want to be and what I want to model for students. I do say “please” and “thank you” as well as give students many opportunities to choose their behavior and give directions and feedback in a variety of ways. They respond in kind by helping me out by reminding their classmates (while ever so humorously mocking me) to watch their “language”. Yes, I work in a high school where profanity falls out of their mouths usually without their knowledge because it is second nature for them and it is what they hear all around them, including at home. Because they know profanity produces in me a (mild) PTSD reaction, they display empathy and concern by keeping each other in check.
I love this library idea to help students be more aware of the effect background noise has on their learning and that of others. They would be able to track the data (too much emphasis is put on this by admin) and make more informed choices. Once students understand the why of a matter, they more readily adapt. All of this helps them to want to control their (ADHD) impulsive and/ or disruptive banter which helps other students (ADD-inattention) to maintain periods of focus. They build respect for others through these simple undertakings. One day this week a fight almost broke out in my classroom (this hasn’t happened in years!) I say almost because the students respect me too much to fight in my room. I read all your newsletters and books and wish we could get you in for Professional Learning. It would be so much more valuable than anything that is usually provided!
Thanks, Dave for keeping it real and reminding me that I am making a difference and what I do matters, data or no data. 😊
Kimberly Donaldson says
Hello Dave,
Thanks for exploring this question. Your response reminded me of something I learned while studying the Native Abenaki language of our region. When I first started to learn the language, I wanted to get my “pleases” and “thank yous” in order. I consulted my instructor, and he told me that they rarely use the word “please” in Abenaki because it isn’t necessary with the mutual respect that exists within their relationships.
Wlinanawalmezi, (take good care of your self in Abenaki)
Kim
Lora McCampbell says
I will say Thank you if they do something non-academic, as in picking up something off the floor, closing the classroom door, etc. It is not something I think about when I do it.
Pam Graetz says
I face a similar challenge . . . every morning . . . 6:45 in the morning . . . doing hall duty as students enter the building . . . ARGHHH!
Nearly middle of the night, and I’m greeting every student that walks past.
Nearly middIe of the night, and I’m still wanting my school to be a warm and welcoming community.
Nearly middle of the night, and I’m determined.
However, it seems that not every student shares that desire. Some days it feels as if the entire school is on strike, walking right past me and my warm and welcoming ideas without so much as a grunt. . . OUCH!
But I determinedly hold my ground and keep it all up with a smile.
Until today. Today I realized that it’s been two months and my winsome ways have yet to have impact. Today I realized that I’m looking like sap in my students’ eyes: “Oh, there’s ol’Mrs. Warm and Welcome . . . We don’t have to acknowledge her or her weird ways. Instead, let’s just give her a dose of OUR cold and callous customs.
What was intended on my part as a kind and thoughtful act is really not reaching the target that I want. Like you, “nothing to get religous about”, but . . .
It’s important to listen to what kids say ~ and don’t say. It’s time for me to find a new way to foster warm welcomes.